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Carol Stone, business economist & active Episcopalian, brings you "Ways of the World". Exploring business & consumers & stewardship, we'll discuss everyday issues: kids & finances, gas prices, & some larger issues: what if foreigners start dumping our debt? And so on. We can provide answers & seek out sources for others. We'll talk about current events & perhaps get different perspectives from what the media says. Write to Carol. Let her know what's important to you: carol@geraniumfarm.org

Tuesday, October 04, 2011

"Occupy Wall Street"

I live right at the Brooklyn end of the Brooklyn Bridge. This past Saturday, October 1, at about 5:30 in the afternoon, I was starting out on a simple errand in the neighborhood. I got to the corner to cross the approach to the Bridge and found lots of police and considerable consternation. A police department communications van was parked in the bike lane, and city buses were backing into the Brooklyn-bound lanes and then across the Bridge itself. Traffic at the busy intersection was stopped in all directions and horns were honking.

It was reaction to the "Occupy Wall Street" protesters, who were at the other end of the Bridge in Manhattan trying to swarm across the Bridge in the car lanes. Some of the protesters report that police on the Manhattan side at first seemed to be willing to have the hundreds of people do that, but then changed their minds and tried to stop them. I don't know anything about the police policy here, only that these marchers had no permit and had made no advance plan; traffic was snarled all over lower Manhattan as a consequence. You have probably read that as many as 700 protesters were then arrested. The city buses I had seen were loaded up and then traveled to police stations in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

This defiant action stood in sharp contrast to two other events that took place on the Bridge during the weekend. United Way New York sponsored a march on Saturday morning to call attention to the high poverty rate newly reported for New York City. Those people moved in a tightly knit group over the Bridge's pedestrian walkway and on up to a nearby park where there were refreshments and rest facilities. They made their point in an orderly manner. The next morning, a more casual bunch of people came together across the pedestrian part of the Bridge and made their way to another local park with a similar rest arrangement along with a mariachi band. Those people were supporting diabetes research, some of them told me.

At first, I wasn't going to write here about the Occupy Wall Street people; even some news organizations have pointedly ignored them. But the publicity is growing and the "movement" is spreading. Perhaps this is a liberal response to the Tea Party. Their complaints are garnering support on a number of fronts. They are concerned about corporate greed, Wall Street greed, dishonesty and corruption, the growing gap between rich and poor and other perceived maladies of society.

One of the missions of Ways of the World is to answer, explain or give background about some of these issues. Perhaps the simple picture the Occupiers describe is incomplete. Two current examples. First, it is said that the rich don't pay a fair share of taxes. We've touched on this before, but it bears repeating. As of 2008, the latest published IRS tabulation, the top 5% of taxpayers paid 59% of total income taxes*. A more comprehensive view compiled by the Congressional Budget Office shows that in 2007, the top 20% of individual taxpayers covered almost 70% of all federal taxes. So "the rich" provide a lot of support to the government. Perhaps more is desired, but it's hardly that they get off cheaply.

Second, the Wall Street demonstrators are mad because banks got bailed out during the crisis in 2008 and 2009. Long-time readers of Ways of the World were with us during that time. You might recall that while we didn't really favor those rescue operations, we didn't even want to consider the alternative, which would have been an even more massive breakdown of the financial system. Now, we can check into U.S. Treasury press releases and reports to see how these bailouts have turned out. The public monies invested by the Treasury in these banks through the "TARP" program are being returned, and back in March, the program turned a profit: more has been returned than was originally doled out. Through July, that profit had run to $10 billion and the Treasury estimates that the government will get back about $20 billion more than was invested by the time the program is concluded.

Surely society is plagued by various ills and certainly those inequities and problems should be brought to our attention. That very questioning prompts us to look for answers in any number of ways, two of which we have just illustrated. We'd still rather have the demonstrators conduct themselves in the respectful manner that they are arguing they want private and public officials to practice with them. We aren't ignoring the other, more civil demonstrators: we will indeed address here the question about poverty which they raised. Meantime, we find it ironic that the Occupy Wall Street project, now midway through its third week, is being supported by funders whose funds were originally generated through the very capitalist system the demonstrators are quarrelling against.


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*This figure is corrected from 43% in the original version of this article. I read the wrong line off the IRS table where these figures are presented.

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8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Carol,
While the two demonstrations you mentioned were for worthy causes and to heighten local awareness, Occupy Wall Street protest was able to get world wide news coverage for their cause. Are you aware that in 2007 the top 1% held 42.7% of the countries wealth? The next 19% held the next 50.3% of the countries wealth.So the top 5% hold 80% of the wealth. Don't you think they should pay more than 43% of the taxes? (http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html)

10/05/2011 11:27 AM  
Blogger Carol S. said...

Dear Sevans99,
Thanks for your input. Actually, your comments caused me to recheck my own statements and make a correction. I had picked up the share of taxes for 1986, not 2008. In 2008, the top 5% of taxpayers paid 58.72% of the income tax (IRS Statistics of Income Bulletin, Winter 2011, page 65).

At the same time, your wealth figures need some checking. You refer to the top 20% of income earners, who according to your source information, held 85% of net worth in 2007. This group paid roughly 80% of the taxes that year; the IRS data show figures for the top 10%, who paid 71% of the taxes, and the top 25%, who paid 87% of the income taxes.

Again, thanks for your interest. My point is that "the rich" provide substantial funding for our government activities now. Recent public statements suggest that they get away with much less, and those impressions are not accurate.
Carol

10/05/2011 12:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Carol,

Thank you for the additional information. These are numbers I was not aware of. I appreciate your insights.
Steve

10/05/2011 1:11 PM  
Blogger CJgolfs said...

You wrote They are concerned about corporate greed, Wall Street greed, dishonesty and corruption, the growing gap between rich and poor and other perceived maladies of society. I think this is true. You then go on to write about the share of income taxes paid by top earners and the financial "success" of TARP. I don't think these two topics are relevant to the gripes OWS has.

While TARP has turned a small profit for the government, it seems to me that OWS objects to Wall St.'s lack of accountability for their actions. They would likely argue that Wall St.'s greed, dishonesty and corruption nearly brought the American economy to it's knees and has caused millions to lose jobs, homes and dignity. And not one banker has seen the inside of a jail cell yet 700+ protesters are arrested for inconveniencing your walk to the store.

It's not the share of income taxes paid (how does that change when payroll taxes are included in the mix, taxes that have a huge impact on the poor and middle class) that matters as much as the growing and shocking concentration of wealth in our country. According to Census Bureau data cited here ( http://careandcost.com/2011/09/26/the-new-gilded-age-in-one-chart/ ), over 80% of the additional wealth created in the last 30 years has been captured by the top 5% and the bottom 60% have actually lost ground.

Altho I am only following OWS from afar, it seems that these are some of the issues to which they wish to bring attention.

10/05/2011 2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an ecology of corruption so that government, media, business, nonprofits and very form of human institution needs to be protested. I am complicit in what is wrong. The vagueness of these protests reflects this. They offer no easy solution because there is no easy solution.

TARP was terrible. But it was the "best" of the "worst" choices

I hope the protests change the conversations we are having to reflect the ecological challenges we face- human corruption plus environmental pollution

10/06/2011 8:06 AM  
Anonymous Rebecca said...

I am glad you made the statements you made. This movement has legitimate things to be upset about, but no vision or strategy on what the priorities are and how to advance them - they come off as disgruntled people with no vision for how to improve things - kind of an entitlement attitude - we're pissed, things aren't right, somebody better do something (for us) about it. I am also disgusted by the fact that there is increasing disparity between rich and poor in our counntry - disgusted and fearful. I will gladly support anyone who can provide some vision for change, but I don't get that from 'occupy wall street' (or the tea party for that matter).

I read an article recently about how the new GM of Ford has turned things around for the company by laying off thousands and reaping a 26 million dollar salary. If you need to streamline for efficiency, that is a sound business judgment, and I am sure he pays taxes on his personal salary but there was nothing in the article about how these workers are to transition into new jobs in the 'new' economy and why the GM deserves 26 million when thousands have no job and I am sure many of them will not be employable if they are over the age of, say 38 (I am older and employed, but have seen enough older laid off workers become unemployable by age 40).

For an alternative to your viewpoint that corporations pay enough money, however, check out an article by Danny Westneat in the Seattle Times reporting on what the Boeing Company pays for taxes.

Thanks for your writing.
Rebecca

10/08/2011 12:05 PM  
Anonymous Susan said...

I'm with the people marching on Wall Street.

My sister in law is down there every day, filming them, and she is so impressed with how organized, orderly, and inclusive they are.

Real change has to be uncomfortable, I think. It has to be subversive...as Jesus was!

Things can't continue as they are. The rich may pay a lot of money (as they should!), but as Warren Buffet pointed out, he pays a much smaller percentage of tax than his secretary does. She struggles; he doesn't. There are SO many loopholes and shelters for the rich. We should call it "welfare" but we don't. It costs taxpayers far more than all of the "entitlements" that are there to protect the most vulnerable. Rich people are not vulnerable.

The oil companies and corporations like GE get huge subsidies even as they are making huge profits and denying good benefits and pay to their workers. The theory of "trickle down" doesn't hold a candle to rampant greed.

It does seem that the bailouts are working in some ways...but the early paybacks (because the banks HAVE so much money!) exempts them from the regulations that might have prevented the problems in the first place. Those problems haven't been addressed...and the greed continues to undermine the system.

Right now we're studying biblical economic systems in Servant Leadership...quite a contrast. I am particularly struck by the biblical injunctions against usury and debt. "Forgive the debtor" means to relieve debt...not forgive a insult! Debt is enslaving us...particularly students.

"Ways of the World" sounds like the church supporting the Empire. It doesn't have to be that way. Maybe the donors who got their money the old greedy way (as Carol points out) have had a change of heart.

10/08/2011 12:10 PM  
Blogger Mumsy+ said...

I am so glad to see people like Susan post here; I think Jesus would be on Wall Street among the protestors, not with the smug wealthy.

10/08/2011 4:45 PM  

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